of government and leadership/governing style. and by a pretty wide margin going in right now, the voters expect president obama is going to outdebate his opponent, but both men have taken great pains to downplay their own chances, downplay the expectations. our dan lothian is up very early at the university of denver. and, dan, i understand this is the fourth time that these two men have really ever encountered one another in person. is that expected to have any effect when they meet each other on stage? >> well, certainly this is not someone who the president spent time with in the senate, has not spent a lot of time talking to him, and when they debate tonight, for 90 minutes, it will be the most time and the longest time that they have spent interacting at all. so it is an unusual, i guess, setting if you will for the president and governor mitt romney. but nonetheless, they're getting ready for this big event, the last couple of days they have been doing these mock debates, going through every possible question that will be asked, every possible scenario that will be thrown their way. so th